>> well, certainly we can. i mean the congress can do that. but the question is, is do we need to actually cut spending? and i think to some extent -- i understand. but, no, if you look at where we are and what we've done in the last decade, you know, we have -- we've done -- basically we have prosecuted two wars, we did the medicare prescription drug benefit, we did several tax cuts. we did the stimulus. all on the credit card of the country. so, you know, you went the -- 30 years ago, just a little over 30 years ago our national debt was a trillion dollars. it's $16.5 trillion today. so we racked up -- >> yeah, but -- >> no, no, no, my point is, chris, i'm not defending the fact of sequestration by any stretch. everybody at the table all agrees it's stupid, it's an awful tool. it was meant to be that way.